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‘There’s a difference between perceived and actual safety’
by Lisa Lee & Kathryn Gaw
Creditflux: A lot of CLO managers have taken a conservative approach lately. Why is that?
The problem is that some loans are perceived as safe, but they may present greater risks than lenders currently appreciate. Some of the double B credits — highly rated companies — are struggling. You see it in the numbers — the trading levels, enterprise valuations, etc.
Soo Kim: Deploying a conservative strategy is easier said than done. You saw in the first quarter that some lower-spread or more conservative portfolios had larger price moves than some higher-risk or higher-spread portfolios. We want to be conservative, but there’s a difference between perceived safety and actual safety.

Deploying a conservative strategy is easier said than done
Soo Kim
Head of liquid credit
Anchorage Capital Advisors
CF: What is the risk of taking a more conservative stance?
SK: Most firms say they underwrite, but we think the reality is that not everyone has the human capital or the resources to do so, and not everyone underwrites and actively manages.

The LBO pipeline has been six months away for three years
Curtis Hardwick
Structured credit specialist
Anchorage Capital Advisors
CF: What is different about your portfolio positioning today?
CH: If you look at our portfolios now, versus a few years ago, it’s still the same underlying philosophy of trying to generate the best risk-adjusted returns and actively trading the book. But the way that we express that through our portfolio positioning has evolved along with the market, and we are now managing less concentrated and lower WARF portfolios than before.
CF: How do you feel about the uptick in LME activity?
SK: We try not to get into these situations in the first place. But some deals do require LMEs, and we have significant experience analysing and structuring LMEs, reflecting Anchorage’s track record in distressed investing.
CF: Is it time for the CLO market to become more transparent?
SK: We would welcome the market moving in a direction where there’s more information available for lenders. We believe some of these software loans that are coming due to refinance may be decent opportunities, but we believe lenders need more information and commitment to continued disclosure from sponsors and borrowers.
CF: When do you expect the LBO market to pick up?
CH: The LBO pipeline has been six months away for three years. Unfortunately, it keeps finding itself back at square one.